From LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU Sat Mar 6 22:50:42 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Received: (qmail 13396 invoked from network); 5 Mar 1997 02:43:18 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.6) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with SMTP; 5 Mar 1997 02:43:18 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <7.D38F66FD@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 3:43:17 +0100 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 21:40:44 -0500 Reply-To: Trevor Hill Sender: Lojban list From: Trevor Hill Subject: Re: Some how-do-you-says To: LOJBAN@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu In-Reply-To: <199703050211.VAA14587@amon-ra.res.cmu.edu> Content-Length: 1100 Lines: 34 Message-ID: I've been thinking about this quite a bit... :) so... you want to say "the mothers of x and y", meaning the mother of x and the mother of y??? Since it seems to me that "le" is supposed to refer _individuals_ satisfying the x1 place of the inner bridi, (tell me if i'm wrong...), you could say: le mamta be pa lu'a le'i ko'a (plus) ko'e... I'm not sure of the correct word to join sumti into a set like that, so i stuck in the "(plus)" for that, but it seems to me that this means: Those-I-describe-as mother(s)-[individually]-of one member-of set (ko'a plus ko'e)....... This leaves open the interpretation that we describe two separate mothers of ko'a, but I don't think anyone would take this meaning... ;) So to say it meaning "X who are/is [individually] mother(s) of both ko'a and ko'e, it seems to me you could say: le mamta be ko'a joi ko'e..... mmmmmm.... Please tell me if i'm off base here... I'm just trying to figure this stuff out at this point, but it is definitely interesting... :) co'o mi'e trevyr th2x+@andrew.cmu.edu