Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 19:54:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199704010054.TAA27203@mail1.access.digex.net> Reply-To: "Jorge J. Llambias" Sender: Lojban list From: "Jorge J. Llambias" Subject: Re: RET: proposing a lujvo X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Logical Language Group X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1975 X-From-Space-Date: Mon Mar 31 19:54:30 1997 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU la markl di'e cusku > Really? We don't have to reach an explicit > agreement on the place structure of the lujvo? If you want the lujvo to appear in the soon-to-be- -published dictionary with your proposed place structure, you have to reach an explicit agreement with Lojbab. :) Other than that, the theory is that usage will determine place structures. > Consider: > > .i zo solsentrvi'u cu sinxa lenuzo'e vimcu le > barsenta le solri > > Would a sentence like that suffice to establish > the meaning of {solsentrvi'u}? (It should be {solsentyvi'u}.) I don't think that would be enough to establish its meaning, but it may be enough for it to be understood in a given context. (I don't see it being able to have a very different meaning from that, in any case.) > What if some > people prefer a more detailed lujvo such as > {solbarborsentrvi'u}? {solbarborsentyvi'u}. One doesn't exclude the other. If the concept is needed frequently enough, one form will eventually become more popular, I suppose, but nothing will prevent anyone from useing the other. > Or what if some people > prefer a different hyphen, yielding {solsentyvi'u}? This is not really a matter of preference. That is the only hyphen available. "r" in lujvo is used only to stick CVV front rafsi so that they don't fall off the lujvo. Between clashing consonants you have to insert a "y", and to all four letter rafsi you must add a "y". > Fact is, I have trouble remembering the rules for > hyphens. Does {clamauri'a} work as a lujvo for > "lengthen"? Or must I insert an /n/, yielding > {clamaunri'a}? No, in theory stress is enough to keep the lujvo together. (You can't stress "cla".) But on the semantic side, I would prefer {clazenri'a}, or {clazengau} for "lengthen". {zmadu} is usually for comparing two different things, rather than one thing with itself at different times. (Are you causing it to become longer than it was before or longer than it will be later?) co'o mi'e xorxes