From LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU Sat Mar 6 22:48:52 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Received: (qmail 11119 invoked from network); 30 Apr 1997 23:02:10 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.6) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with SMTP; 30 Apr 1997 23:02:10 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.C28D997A@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Thu, 1 May 1997 1:02:09 +0100 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:50:03 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: delayed response vo'a X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1398 Lines: 38 Message-ID: Jorge: >I don't think it works. Suppose I respond {mi}. Then I would be saying >that I want you to send it to the utterance "mi", not to me. >Unfortunately di'u, di'e et al don't refer to the referent of the >utterance but to the utterance itself. (Unfortunate because the other >meaning is much more frequently needed.) Perhaps you could say: > > ma djica le nu mi benji ti la'e di'e > >but even that is not really optimal, because a question can always be >answered with a full sentence, e.g. {mi go'i}. Also, even if you just >answer with a single sumti {mi}, I think {di'e} is the _sentence_ {mi}, >equivalent to the sentence {mi co'e}, and not just the sumti {mi}. iain: >ma djica lenu mi benji ti vo'a Esteban: >It seems to work, but I'm not sure whether 'vo'a' repeats the first >place of 'djica' or that of 'benji'. djica. Iain is correct. ma djica le nu mi benji ti vo'a vo'a echos the x1 of the *main* bridi, which is "ma". "ra" would also work but is subject to possible miscounting. "le no'a" also works. Lee: >Couldn't that be solved by terminating the description sumti explicitly? >"ma djica lenu mi benji ti ku vo'a" That makes vo'a the x3 of djica, which is a purpose. Since the desirer is not a purpose (which should be an event clause) this makes little sense. But sumti raising with "tu'a vo'a" in that position would probably be clear. lojbab