From LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU Sat Mar 6 22:48:56 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Received: (qmail 22895 invoked from network); 4 Apr 1997 20:52:18 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.6) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with SMTP; 4 Apr 1997 20:52:18 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <6.4FAE3E71@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 22:52:18 +0100 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:48:36 -0600 Reply-To: mark.vines@wholefoods.com Sender: Lojban list From: Mark Vines Subject: CPE: Corliss Lamont X-To: LOJBAN@CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1870 Lines: 67 Message-ID: coidoi lobypli I seek Lojban equivalents for the following: + syllogism + mortal + immortal + philosophy + personality + soul + hypothesis + + All men are mortal. + Socrates is a man. + Therefore Socrates is mortal. in order to translate the opening words of _The Illusion of Immortality_ by Corliss Lamont. Thus far I've managed: + syllogism = le cmulojmo'a + mortal = cu mrobi'o + immortal = cu vi'orji'e + philosophy = lezu'o pijysisku + personality = le prekai + soul = le ruxyse'i + hypothesis = le skecipsmadi + + All men are mortal + = .i ro le remna cu mrobi'o + Socrates is a man. + = .i la SOkrates. cu remna + Therefore Socrates is mortal. + = .i la SOkrates. seni'i cu mrobi'o but I feel pretty dubious about several of these, especially {cmulojmo'a} & my use of {seni'i}. Here's the passage I hope to learn from translating: > "All men are mortal" begins the most famous > of all syllogisms, and it proceeds to tell > us that "Socrates is a man" and "therefore > Socrates is mortal." The branch of philosophy > known as logic has made much of this syllogism > as an example of perfect reasoning; what is > more significant is the prodigious amount of > time and energy which philosophy as a whole > has spent on inquiring into its true and > complete meaning. On that meaning have been > thought to hang the destiny of man, the fate > of nations and even the existence of God. > The real question has been: How seriously > are we to take the proposition that men and > Socrates are mortal? For there exists a > well-known counter-proposition to the effect > that men and Socrates are _im_mortal; or at > least that what we call their personalities > or souls are immortal. In fact, Socrates > himself, if the _Dialogues_ of Plato are to > be trusted, was one of the first to advance > the hypothesis of the soul's immortality. co'imi'e markl.