From LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU Sat Mar 6 22:49:10 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Received: (qmail 6255 invoked from network); 10 Apr 1997 02:07:11 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.6) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with SMTP; 10 Apr 1997 02:07:11 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <8.20A93680@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 4:07:11 +0100 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:00:51 -0700 Reply-To: Lee Daniel Crocker Sender: Lojban list From: Lee Daniel Crocker Organization: Piclab (http://www.piclab.com/) Subject: Re: Philosophy X-To: Lojban Group To: Veijo Vilva In-Reply-To: <199704082354.QAA19712@ns1.calweb.com> from Esteban Flamini at "Apr 8, 97 05:42:09 pm" Content-Length: 1771 Lines: 34 Message-ID: > Well, everything which is a subject of philosophical study is "se > cmupeiseljibri", so the whole field of study should be "loi se > cmupeiseljibri" or "lo'i se cmupeiseljibri" (I'm not sure which of them). > Philosophy as an activity is "zu'o cmupeiseljibri", isn't it? I.e., that > what philosophers do. > And as a corpus, I think it's a kind of achievement, so it should be "mu'e > cmupeiseljibri". > Esteban Flamini I like that place structure, but I don't see why to go to great lengths with "has the job of thinking about..." when there's no particular reason to imply actual employment. One doesn't generally hire philosophers as one does plumbers, so jibri doesn't seem quite right. One hires teachers of philosophy, but their actual job is teaching, not philosophizing. His students are just as much philosophers as he is. I agree that the process/product distinction you mention is important to emphasize, but that's another reason I prefer tadni to saske. If you prefer "jicmu" as the subject of study to my self-refence, then it becomes "cmutadni" instead of "tadnytadni", but the place structure remains the same, where x1 is the studier and x2 a particular subject. la xysrl cmutadni la fenomenologis ("Husserl studies the philosophy called phenomenology") lezu'o cmutadni cu xamgu le menli ("Philosophy (the activity) is good for the mind") ti cukta lemu'e cmutadni ("This is a book about Philosophy (the body of knowledge)") -- Lee Daniel Crocker "All inventions or works of authorship original to me, herein and past, are placed irrevocably in the public domain, and may be used or modified for any purpose, without permission, attribution, or notification."--LDC