From LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Sat Mar 6 22:48:41 2010 Reply-To: Lee Daniel Crocker Sender: Lojban list Date: Tue Apr 15 11:04:56 1997 From: Lee Daniel Crocker Organization: Piclab (http://www.piclab.com/) Subject: Re: Philosophy X-To: Lojban Group To: John Cowan In-Reply-To: <199704082354.QAA19712@ns1.calweb.com> from Esteban Flamini at "Apr 8, 97 05:42:09 pm" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1771 X-From-Space-Date: Tue Apr 15 11:04:56 1997 X-From-Space-Address: - Message-ID: > Well, everything which is a subject of philosophical study is "se > cmupeiseljibri", so the whole field of study should be "loi se > cmupeiseljibri" or "lo'i se cmupeiseljibri" (I'm not sure which of them). > Philosophy as an activity is "zu'o cmupeiseljibri", isn't it? I.e., that > what philosophers do. > And as a corpus, I think it's a kind of achievement, so it should be "mu'e > cmupeiseljibri". > Esteban Flamini I like that place structure, but I don't see why to go to great lengths with "has the job of thinking about..." when there's no particular reason to imply actual employment. One doesn't generally hire philosophers as one does plumbers, so jibri doesn't seem quite right. One hires teachers of philosophy, but their actual job is teaching, not philosophizing. His students are just as much philosophers as he is. I agree that the process/product distinction you mention is important to emphasize, but that's another reason I prefer tadni to saske. If you prefer "jicmu" as the subject of study to my self-refence, then it becomes "cmutadni" instead of "tadnytadni", but the place structure remains the same, where x1 is the studier and x2 a particular subject. la xysrl cmutadni la fenomenologis ("Husserl studies the philosophy called phenomenology") lezu'o cmutadni cu xamgu le menli ("Philosophy (the activity) is good for the mind") ti cukta lemu'e cmutadni ("This is a book about Philosophy (the body of knowledge)") -- Lee Daniel Crocker "All inventions or works of authorship original to me, herein and past, are placed irrevocably in the public domain, and may be used or modified for any purpose, without permission, attribution, or notification."--LDC