From LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU Sat Mar 6 22:48:50 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Received: (qmail 30514 invoked from network); 8 Apr 1997 23:59:04 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.6) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with SMTP; 8 Apr 1997 23:59:04 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <4.104BFFBF@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 1:59:03 +0100 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 12:30:40 -0700 Reply-To: Edward Cherlin Sender: Lojban list From: Edward Cherlin Subject: Re: Philosophy (was: CPE: Corliss Lamont) X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva In-Reply-To: <199704080643.BAA06478@zoom.bga.com> Content-Length: 2383 Lines: 59 Message-ID: la li.daniel.krakr. cusku di'e: [discussion of ad hominem definitions snipped] There's nothing preventing one from saying "the field >of pointless discussion" (terzu'ecau tavla tadni), or using an >attitudinal to say psychology/incredulity (menske.ianai) or a philospher >kind of time wasting (tadnytadni cacra bo fesygau), but it should be >expressed as such explicity. Clarity is no less artful. e'osai ko fanva "Christian Science" a "Scientology" xrisosaske.i'anai ? sasketadni.i'anai ? e'osai ko fraxu mi lenu mi na djuno so'e lo rafsi >I still like "tadnytadni". Tadni emphasizes a studier in any field >by any method or none, whereas saske emphasizes a body of knowledge >based on some method, so things like theology are seltadni, and >things like psychology are saske. mi tugni .i le cmaci saske .i le jicmuscmaci seltadni >I don't think the language should >make any editorial judgments here, so things like accupuncture are >still saske because they are a body of knowledge by a particular >method, even if they happen to be quackery; and the study of education >is a seltadni, because it doesn't imply a particular body of knowledge >by any particular method. > >seltadni field of study, academic subject (not necessarily > scientific or by any method at all amond students x2) >cevtadni theologian (of type/religion x2) >tadnytadni philosopher (x2 is particular philosophy) >menske psychology (by method x2) >benske neurology (by method x2) > >Of course, we could just say to hell with it and make them names, >but I think these are useful and basic enough. so'i lo cevtadni krici le cevske .i lo tarcijalgetadni.i'anai krici le tarcijalgeske .i .i lo cevyzbaxriso na krici le jmivesaske >-- >Lee Daniel Crocker >"All inventions or works of authorship original to me, herein and past, >are placed irrevocably in the public domain, and may be used or modified >for any purpose, without permission, attribution, or notification."--LDC co'omi'e la ed. -- Edward Cherlin cherlin@newbie.net Everything should be made Vice President Ask. Someone knows. as simple as possible, NewbieNet, Inc. __but no simpler__. http://www.newbie.net/ Attributed to Albert Einstein