From LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU Sat Mar 6 22:54:33 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Received: (qmail 8553 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1997 16:39:37 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.6) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with SMTP; 19 Aug 1997 16:39:37 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <13.ADAF8364@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:39:24 +0100 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:37:48 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: response on Peek-A-Boo game - old X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1994 Lines: 78 Message-ID: It was a while ago that this was posted, and I am not sure whether it was Lojban List or conlang, but my reply belongs here. >Most of the phrases I've collected can be assigned to one of several >game-like interactions between caretaker & child. One of these is the >interaction which is often called "Peek-a-Boo". In this interaction, >the baby's face is briefly covered up with a towel or blanket (or >whatever) & the caretakers then pretend they cannot find the baby. Then >the baby's face is uncovered & the caretakers pretend to discover the >baby. Sometimes a caretaker is hidden & then revealed in a similar >routine. I would be going for the simplest wordings possible to convet the meaning. We want to be grammatically correct, but ellipsis and other short cuts are fine. >Here are my tentative translations of Peek-a-Boo Caretaker >Phrases into Lojban: > >PB01 Where are you? > .ue do zvati vi ma Not sure I understand ".ue" here. The "vi" is unnecessary following zvati, so you could say do zvati ma or elliptically do vi ma >PB02 There you are! > .ua do zvati vi ta .ua do zvati .ua do vi ta >PB03 I see you! > .ui mi viska do The mi is probably redundant: .ui viska do >PB04 Where's Erin? > .ue la .erin. cu zvati vi ma la. erin. vi ma la. erin. zvati ma >PB05 There she is! > .ua la .erin. cu zvati vi tu .ua la. erin. vi ta .ua la. erin. zvati ta >PB06 I see Erin! > .ui mi viska la .erin. > >PB07 Where's the baby? > .ue le cifnu cu zvati vi ma > >PB08 There's the baby! > .ua le cifnu cu zvati vi tu > likewise per the above >>PB09 I see the baby! > .ui mi viska le cifnu .ui cifnu .ui ta cifnu etc. These caretaker expressions seem much more predicative than they are statements per se, so the latter example is the type of thing I would strive for, maybe with use of za'a, ti'e, and maybe in some cases ba'a on an otherwise bare predicate (or maybe a "me la" or "me le".) lojbab