From LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU Sat Mar 6 22:54:09 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Received: (qmail 20587 invoked from network); 22 Sep 1997 12:20:28 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.6) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with SMTP; 22 Sep 1997 12:20:28 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <12.1D588A78@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 14:20:17 +0100 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:13:15 BST Reply-To: Don Wiggins Sender: Lojban list From: Don Wiggins Subject: Re: na`e X-To: lojban@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1036 Lines: 27 Message-ID: > 3. The cat sits otherwise than on the chair. > lo mlatu ca'o na'e vreta lo stizu >The latter utterance contains *two* propositions: > a. That it is false that the cat sits on the chair; and, > b. that some other proposition is true. I agree that (a) is correct, however (b) is not sufficiently strong. The jufra indicates that some other proposition >involving< the arguments cat and chair is true. For instance, .i lo mlatu ca'o rakpli fi lo stizu The cat is scratching (with its claws) the chair > to ra'unai lo mlatu ca'a vreta lo cuktykajna toi > (Incidentally, the cat actually reposes on a > book-type-of-counter/shelf.) To conclude this the "na'e" must be attached to the sumti "lo stizu" .i lo mlatu ca'o stizu na'ebo lo stizu The cat is sitting on something other than the chair. This indicates that the cat is sitting, but the object sat upon is not a chair. In fact, it is the book-shelf. So "na'ebo lo stizu" can be replaced with "lo cuktykajna". ni'oco'omi'e dn.