From LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU Sat Mar 6 22:53:31 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Received: (qmail 23207 invoked from network); 17 Sep 1997 16:13:56 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.6) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with SMTP; 17 Sep 1997 16:13:56 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <4.E6EC1E3A@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:13:46 +0100 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 17:06:37 GMT+0 Reply-To: And Rosta Sender: Lojban list From: And Rosta Organization: University of Central Lancashire Subject: Re: negated nitcu To: LOJBAN@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Content-Length: 620 Lines: 16 Message-ID: Don: > > > What about "na'e nitcu"? > > > Isn't this {mi na nitcu lenu le resprdainysar mi citka}? > > "na" does not claim that there exists any relationship between the sumti and > can be interpreted as "it is false that". "na'e" means other-than and > asserts that there is a relationship between the sumti but it is not the > particular selbri (in this case 'need'). A subtle difference. Not so subtle, because if {mi na`e nitcu ko`a} is true then either {mi nitcu ko`a} or {mi na nitcu ko`a} can be true. So I think Iain's rendering is better. Alternatively, {mi to`e nitcu} would get the idea across too. --And