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Subject:      Re: RV: na'e entails na?
To:         And Rosta <a.rosta@UCLAN.AC.UK>
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On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, And Rosta wrote:

> For example, everyone is either citizen of France or citizen of
> some other country. [NB INCLUSIVE OR] I want to describe
> the latter group as "na`e fraso zei selgugde" [I'm taking x1 of
> selgugde to be a citizen]. But since for example someone can be a
> citizen of both France and Britain, "na`e fraso zei selgugde"
> would not work if it entails "na fraso zei selgugde". "na fraso
> ..." gives me everyone who isn't French, whereas I want
> everyone who is a citizen of a country other than France.
> For that I would like to use "na`e fraso", but will not be
> able to if everyone bar me gets their way!

Why not just use "drata"? Surely examples like this are part of what it's
meant for.


Geoff