From LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU Sat Mar 6 22:53:40 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Received: (qmail 29795 invoked from network); 23 Sep 1997 14:38:41 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.6) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with SMTP; 23 Sep 1997 14:38:41 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <3.96C2D53A@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:38:30 +0100 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:31:25 GMT+0 Reply-To: And Rosta Sender: Lojban list From: And Rosta Organization: University of Central Lancashire Subject: Re: na`e X-To: LOJBAN@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1007 Lines: 23 Message-ID: > >Although elsewhere the phrase "denies a relationship" does crop up en > >passant when some other point is being made (so that it is not > >clear whether the phrasing is a merely misleading attempt to > >avoid explaining scalar negation solely by means of English > >equivalents) > > I guess I must be dense, but I cannot see any other interpretation for > "denies relationship" other than "claims the relationshio is false" which > woudl seem to be a good definition of contradictory negation. I agree, but given the context in which "denies relationship" is used, and given the general tenor of the chapter, and the properties of the construction, it is quite plausible to construe "denies relationship" as an unintentionally misleading locution that was used in order not to make a difficult topic too hard for the lay reader to follow. > Alternatively, I do not see how selbri negation, at least of the to'e and > na'e varieties, could NOt entail contradictory negation. See reply by Markl. --And