From LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU Sat Mar 6 22:53:45 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Received: (qmail 18177 invoked from network); 26 Sep 1997 02:50:46 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.6) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with SMTP; 26 Sep 1997 02:50:46 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.317E2FA8@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 4:50:36 +0100 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 07:36:30 -0300 Reply-To: JORGE JOAQUIN LLAMBIAS Sender: Lojban list From: JORGE JOAQUIN LLAMBIAS Subject: ei, einai X-To: lojban To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 846 Lines: 33 Message-ID: cu'u la djan > Does > > .ei mi na klama > >mean that I am not obliged to come, or that I am obliged not >to come, or what? Surely it's the second! We have the following possibilities: ei mi klama I must come. ei mi na klama I must not come. einai mi klama I don't have to come. (I may not come.) einai mi na klama I don't have to not come. (I may come.) Unfortunately "einai" is glossed as "freedom" in the cmavo list, which would reverse the meaning of last two. "Freedom to do something" is not the same as "non-obligation to do something", but rather it is "non-obligation to NOT do something". I don't think that the "nai" of "einai" should have this double negative implication, so I propose to fix the gloss in the cmavo list. co'o mi'e xorxes