From LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU Sat Mar 6 22:53:52 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Received: (qmail 31944 invoked from network); 24 Sep 1997 02:27:12 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.6) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with SMTP; 24 Sep 1997 02:27:12 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <8.9148D353@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 4:27:01 +0100 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 12:24:34 +1000 Reply-To: HACKER G N Sender: Lojban list From: HACKER G N Subject: Re: LE and VOI X-To: And Rosta X-cc: Lojban List To: Veijo Vilva In-Reply-To: <0EGY00KPHVACN7@newcastle.edu.au> Content-Length: 821 Lines: 19 Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, And Rosta wrote: > I'm not sure whether this is grammatical, but I think it may be > possible to contrast "le da poi" (specific, veridical) with > "le da voi" (specific, nonveridical). I know that there are issues involving sumti quantification where you can put an article before a pro-sumti, but to my knowledge it has never been done to express veridicality. Perhaps this will do in a crunch where you need to express both specificity and veridicality at once. Otherwise, you might have to use sentences like "le nanmu cu nanmu", which are separate from your original sentence about "le nanmu", to show that that which you describe as a man really is, in fact, a man. But it sure would be nice just to have one article or maybe an additional cmavo to express the same thing. Oh, well.. Geoff