From LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU Sat Mar 6 22:53:52 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Received: (qmail 17065 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1997 21:21:56 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.6) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with SMTP; 25 Sep 1997 21:21:56 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <6.423F10C9@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:21:47 +0100 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:21:49 -0400 Reply-To: John Cowan Sender: Lojban list From: John Cowan Organization: Lojban Peripheral Subject: Re: LE and VOI X-To: Lojban List To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 786 Lines: 22 Message-ID: la .and. cusku di'e > So the following combos are useful: > > 1 nonspecific, veridical > 2 specific, veridical, "indefinite" (= referent not (necessarily) > identifiable by addressee) > 3 specific, nonveridical, "definite" (= referent not (necessarily) > identifiable by addressee) > > Function 1 is performed by {lo}. Functions 2 & 3 are both > performed by {le}. Both 2 & 3 are useful, & it wd be nice to > think of an easy way to distinguish them. The closest analogue is "lebi'u" for 2 and "lebi'unai" for 3. "bi'u" signals "new information", so "lebi'u nanmu" = "a man, a certain man", whereas "lebi'unai nanmu" = "the (previously mentioned) man". -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org e'osai ko sarji la lojban