From LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU Sat Mar 6 22:54:01 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Received: (qmail 15146 invoked from network); 16 Sep 1997 12:55:15 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.6) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with SMTP; 16 Sep 1997 12:55:15 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <8.FAC92668@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:55:04 +0100 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:20:30 BST Reply-To: Don Wiggins Sender: Lojban list From: Don Wiggins Subject: Re: negated nitcu X-To: LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 956 Lines: 27 Message-ID: > In "I don't need a > radio to sing a song" > Saying "mi na nitcu ko'a lenu broda" simply > negates the existence of the "needing" relationship between me and ko'a and > the act of broda, right? Does it correspond to any of the above neatly? I would say that this corresponds nicely to the simple form. I would think of it as "It is false that I need this particular thing to do something". > It's along the lines of "I don't need a hammer to attach these two papers. > (actually, I need a stapler)." .i mi nitcu na'ebo lo mruli lenu lo ti remei pelji cu jorne I need something other-than a hammer to attach there two papers. The attachment does require something and that thing is not a hammer. > The other negation, in "I don't need a dinosaur to eat me up," is a bit > different. To me, this means "I don't want a dinosaur to eat me up" playing on an idiomatic form of 'need'. .i mi to'e djica lenu lo tcesaurespa mi citka ni'oco'omi'e dn.