Message-Id: <199709250202.VAA12395@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: HACKER G N Date: Wed Sep 24 21:03:06 1997 Sender: Lojban list From: HACKER G N Subject: Re: RV: na'e entails na? X-To: And Rosta X-cc: Lojban List To: John Cowan In-Reply-To: <0EH000DGPP220W@newcastle.edu.au> X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 746 X-From-Space-Date: Wed Sep 24 21:03:06 1997 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, And Rosta wrote: > For example, everyone is either citizen of France or citizen of > some other country. [NB INCLUSIVE OR] I want to describe > the latter group as "na`e fraso zei selgugde" [I'm taking x1 of > selgugde to be a citizen]. But since for example someone can be a > citizen of both France and Britain, "na`e fraso zei selgugde" > would not work if it entails "na fraso zei selgugde". "na fraso > ..." gives me everyone who isn't French, whereas I want > everyone who is a citizen of a country other than France. > For that I would like to use "na`e fraso", but will not be > able to if everyone bar me gets their way! Why not just use "drata"? Surely examples like this are part of what it's meant for. Geoff