From LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU Sat Mar 6 22:54:08 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Received: (qmail 10566 invoked from network); 24 Sep 1997 21:13:45 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.6) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with SMTP; 24 Sep 1997 21:13:45 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <10.F253ECE9@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:13:35 +0100 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:45:47 GMT Reply-To: ia@stryx.demon.co.uk Sender: Lojban list From: Iain Alexander Subject: Re: na`e X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1448 Lines: 33 Message-ID: In message <875038665.1013098.0@listserv.cuny.edu> cowan@DRV.CBC.COM writes: > > JORGE JOAQUIN LLAMBIAS wrote: > > > Lojban is not really well suited to handle quantification of selbri, > > but something like this at least superficially works: > > > > (1) su'o bu'a poi na vreta zo'u le mlatu cu bu'a le stizu > > For some which is not "vreta", the cat the chair. > > > > I think {su'o bu'a poi na vreta} really means something else, but > > that's a different story which I'm not sure we want to get into. > > For "poi" read "cei", which makes everything fine. Last I heard: cei CEI pro-bridi assign selbri variable assignment; assigns broda series pro-bridi to a selbri i.e. {li'o bu'a cei na vreta li'o} *defines* {bu'a} (which would be more appropriate as {broda}) to be the selbri {na vreta} - or are you saying that when {cei} is used with a BUhA, we reinterpret {cei} to mean what Jorge wants? I don't think this really works - it's really the {cei} which needs to be negated ({na'ebo cei}? :) rather than the following selbri, which needs to be interpreted as a unit. You couldn't for instance say {bu'a cei ke viska ja sumne ja tirna} to get a brivla which means exactly one of the three options - instead you get one which means the combination of all three. co'o mi'e .i,n. -- Iain Alexander PGP 1024-bit key id B501A0AD ia@stryx.demon.co.uk I.Alexander@bsn0106.wins.icl.co.uk