Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 05:38:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199710111038.FAA27797@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: clani To: lee@piclab.com Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1541 Lines: 32 >Though Jorge wasn't talking about "ni", I think his point is still >good: the abstract property of "length" is "ka mitre", and "length" >of something (a measure) is "ni mitre". "ni clani", or "amount of >longness" is different. A (subjectively) long thing has "some"; a >subjectively short thing has none. A subjectively very long thing >has a lot. Similarly, a long thing has no amount of shortness, and >a very short thing has a lot of shortness. > >Otherwise, you have the counter-intuitive result of: > > ta na clani >--More-- > .i le ni clani cu cmalu > >I'm with Jorge; both the short thing and the long thing have both >"ka mitre" and "ni mitre", but the short thing has /neither/ "ka >clani" nor "ni clani". Something with very little "ni clani" is >still "clani", just not very much so. I will disagree because "tordu" != "na clani". The nature of short things is that, by a different standard, they could be long things. Now if you fill in a very large standard, even a "long" object will noy be "clani" with respect to that object. lojbab ---- lojbab lojbab@access.digex.net Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: ftp.access.digex.net /pub/access/lojbab or see Lojban WWW Server: href="http://xiron.pc.helsinki.fi/lojban/" Order _The Complete Lojban Language_ - see our Web pages or ask me.