Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:59:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199710132059.PAA12944@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: CloversImp@AOL.COM Sender: Lojban list From: Karen Stein Subject: Re: Dvorak X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2290 Lines: 59 In a message dated 97-10-07 13:06:49 EDT, Andrew wrote: << >Chris Bogart wrote: >> Its interesting how many Lojbanists > > have experimented with Dvorak. It must be the same attitude that draws > > us to the layout and the language. There's gotta be a better way of > > doing things... > I agree entirely. As do I. There is a problem, however. I started learning Dvorak once, but found that it not only meant that I didn't type Querty as fast, but also that I kept getting frustrated whenever I wasn't typing at home. Until I don't need to use other people's computers/typewriters, or take typing tests for jobs I guess I'm stuck. > Lee Sau Dan wrote: > > Perhaps you're right. I'm also addicted to Qwerty, although I know > > switch to Dvorak would speed up my typing. The main problem maybe > > that we cannot afford the *extra* time needed to train ourselves for > > Dvorak. We've already got a reasonably good alternative. So, we're > > unwilling to pay the cost for the switching, which brings benefits > > which would be only marginal... > The time investment must be made at some point, and the sooner the > better. Delaying only serves to add to the difficulty. Makes sense, but see my note above. > Edward Cherlin wrote: > > Switching to Dvorak after 30 years typing QWERTY was an amazing experience. > > There was a kind of pain in the brain that I have never experienced > > otherwise. I imagine that it also occurs in total immersion language > > learning. > [snip] > This IS total immersion learning for me. I decided that when I started > typing with Dvorak (which was two days ago), I was not going to use > qwerty anymore. > I have read, and fear would be immensely true for me, that trying to retain > qwerty skills is an immense burden on one's attempts to learn Dvorak. For me it went both ways, since I had need to use both layouts. > Sorry to anybody who's annoyed that I'm using this mailing list for > completely off-topic dialogue. I don't mind, myself, particularly since the discussion has also applied to language learning, easiest key layout for lojban, etc. karis.