Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:40:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199710162340.SAA22765@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: tremau X-To: jorge@INTERMEDIA.COM.AR X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1390 X-From-Space-Date: Thu Oct 16 18:40:52 1997 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU >No, I'm not straining to keep anything. There are two different >definitions of {le ni broda}: one is {le jaila'u broda} and the other >is {le ka broda la'u makau}. I must be obtuse, or simply befuddled by jai and kau which you use a lot a nd I am uncomfortable with. But I have no idea what these two mean either in theory or usage, given that you are calling them definitional. For one thing, the "definition" of la'u, which in turn invokes the x1 of klani which among other things would be a ni abstraction. So defining ni in terms of la'u is circular. Or perhaps you are merely saying this very thing when you say that the theoretical definition is "le jaila'u broda" - I'm just not sure that the operation of inserting a la'u place is an exact inverse. So what is the difference, and can you come up with an example where the value of ni broda is different for these two definitions (or maybe you have and I don't understand). lojbab ---- lojbab lojbab@access.digex.net Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: ftp.access.digex.net /pub/access/lojbab or see Lojban WWW Server: href="http://xiron.pc.helsinki.fi/lojban/" Order _The Complete Lojban Language_ - see our Web pages or ask me.