Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:42:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199710242042.PAA06442@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: ni X-To: a.rosta@UCLAN.AC.UK X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1745 X-From-Space-Date: Fri Oct 24 15:43:04 1997 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU >> However, the gismu list is also baselined and is "correct by definition". >> In this case we have clearly stated that the x1 of klani is a ni, the x2 >> of lifri is a li'i, etc. > >Xiron is being recalcitrant, so I can't check the gi`uste, but >I don't see how this helps, unless the x1 of klani makes clear >whether it can also be filled by a number or not, or by an >quantity of measurement units, or by a du`u, or whatever. I posted the place strutures of the relevant gismu from the gi'uste a couple days ago. Jorge has correctly pointed out that I did not explicitly use the word "ni" in the x1 for klani - an omission on my part, but certainly my intent (I think I have been sloppier about labelling x1s in the gismu list in this way, since the place structures are worded as natiuralistic English sentences, and such omission does not stand out as much). As for as the language design goes, ANY kind of sumti can go in any place of any selbri. The semantics might be impossible, but that just makes life more fun. So far as I am concerned, this debate is about what is semantically sensible in the specified places, which is not a grammatical issue and is not intended to be covered by the refgrammar or the gismu list in quite so authoritative a sense as the grammar is covered. lojbab ---- lojbab lojbab@access.digex.net Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: ftp.access.digex.net /pub/access/lojbab or see Lojban WWW Server: href="http://xiron.pc.helsinki.fi/lojban/" Order _The Complete Lojban Language_ - see our Web pages or ask me.