Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:35:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199710151635.LAA12293@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: And Rosta Sender: Lojban list From: And Rosta Organization: University of Central Lancashire Subject: Re: Jorge's right re: ni X-To: LOJBAN@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 632 X-From-Space-Date: Wed Oct 15 11:35:21 1997 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU Kris: > But on to {ni}: I think the reference grammar is inconsistent, and > confuses the two types of reference to numbers. If you want to refer to a > number as a simple mathematical object, you should use a BAI modal, > probably {sela'u}. If you want to talk about the fact that a particular > number applies, you should use {ni} This makes sense, but is it correct? At least at one time we were agreed that {jei} refers to a truth value and not the fact that a given tv is tv of the proposition in the jei clause. (We therefore used {xukau} instead, and I many months later showed how it is doable in ordinary logic.) --And