Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 21:07:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199710150207.VAA14720@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: JORGE JOAQUIN LLAMBIAS Sender: Lojban list From: JORGE JOAQUIN LLAMBIAS Subject: Re: tremau X-To: lojban To: John Cowan X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1842 X-From-Space-Date: Tue Oct 14 21:08:14 1997 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU Lojbab: >>So you say that {tremau} to you is {zmadu fi le ka ke'a mitre xokauroi} >>"more in how often it is measured in meters" than {zmadu fi le ka ke'a >>mitre makau} "more in how many meters it measures". Why would >>you choose the more involved decomposition of the lujvo, when the >>simpler one seems much more useful? > >I am having trouble debating this with you since I do not know whether you >mean something different by "leka broda" in x3 of zmadu than I mean by >"leni broda in the same position. Your {le ni broda} is my {le ka broda la'u makau} in the x3 of zmadu. That is one of the two different meanings that {ni} seems to have. > In most cases, I would consider them interchangeable, >since ni broda is simply a quantitative measurement of ka broda, but I am >not sure that it is always the case, especially if you were to convince >me that an object which is "na clani" also na se ckaji leka clani. {ckaji}, not {se ckaji}, if my printed version of the gi'uste is to be trusted. >ni broda always has a scale/degree associated with it as part of its place >structure. ka broda does not necessarily have a scale (it is not part >of the places structure of a ka abstraction) and hence I have trouble being >sure what you mean by "zmadu fi le ka broda" in a quantitative sense. {zmadu fi le ka broda la'u makau}. If ko'a is your scale, then {zmadu fi le ka broda la'u makau tela'u ko'a}. Some broda already have a quantity place, so they may not need the la'u, as in {zmadu fi le ka mitre makau}. In these cases you wouldn't use {ni} either, I think. >(I won't even address that fact that your use of ke'a totally loses me >for reasons we have long argued, so I cannot answer your specific questions >at all). I now changed it to ce'u, I had forgotten that this had been added. Hope that helps. co'o mi'e xorxes