Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 05:45:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199710111045.FAA27910@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: clani X-To: jorge@INTERMEDIA.COM.AR X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1501 Lines: 31 >Lee: >>Though Jorge wasn't talking about "ni", I think his point is still >>good: the abstract property of "length" is "ka mitre", and "length" >>of something (a measure) is "ni mitre". > >The reason I prefer not to talk about ni is that I never fully >understood what it's for. I'm confortable using ka, nu and du'u, >but I don't know about the other "abstractors", maybe because >the first three are the only ones that have been used >significantly. > >Where would one use {ni mitre} for example? Isn't the measure >{se mitre}? I know what {le ka mitre li ci} means: The property >of measuring three meters. But what does {le ni mitre li ci} mean? I think (or at least hope) he meant ka clani and ni clani rather than ka mitre and ni mitre. I cannot express, nor really soundly grasp in my mind "ni mitre". I would not equate it to se mitre. There mighyt be some usable semantics if one were to use nu mitre to quantify a part of the mass "loi mitre." but since i am just groping for this, I will nto defend it. lojbab ---- lojbab lojbab@access.digex.net Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: ftp.access.digex.net /pub/access/lojbab or see Lojban WWW Server: href="http://xiron.pc.helsinki.fi/lojban/" Order _The Complete Lojban Language_ - see our Web pages or ask me.