From - Wed Nov 12 12:47:15 1997 Message-ID: <3469EBA3.106B@locke.ccil.org> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:47:15 -0500 From: John Cowan Organization: Lojban Peripheral X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lojban List Subject: Events & sisku [was: le/lo] References: <199711120302.WAA21555@locke.ccil.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 2022 la xorxes. cusku di'e > Yes, perhaps that would be clearer, although I think it would > be too restrictive to say that nu could only refer to events that > actually happen. Indeed. Events don't have to happen, although it has to be *logically possible* for them to happen, I think; there is no "lo nu li re su'i re du li mu". > I wouldn't know how I would say "I'm looking for my hat" > with the new definition, if I wore one. mi sisku le ka [ce'u] du le mapku po mi I look-for-thing-with-property the property-of being the hat belonging-to me. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org e'osai ko sarji la lojban From LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU Thu Nov 13 22:38:31 1997 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 22:38:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711140338.WAA01247@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: John Cowan Sender: Lojban list From: John Cowan Organization: Lojban Peripheral Subject: Re: kau X-To: Lojban List To: John Cowan Status: OR X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 831 And Rosta wrote: > Can someone tell me where {kau} is discussed in Woldemar? - Or > if not, can someone tell me what it means? Chapter 8, Section 11. > I mean {kau} in general, not just after question words. "kau" can be used after non-question words, in which case the word it is attached to is suggested as the answer to the indirect question, as in "I wonder whether it was John who shot Alice", which uses "la djan. kau" What is not defined is the use of "kau" outside "du'u" abstractions. > I seem to recall that originally kau was introduced for some > more general purpose and only latterly became restricted > in usage as a marker of indirect questions. Not AFAIK. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org e'osai ko sarji la lojban