Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 20:00:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711080100.UAA00374@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: JORGE JOAQUIN LLAMBIAS Sender: Lojban list From: JORGE JOAQUIN LLAMBIAS Subject: Re: mukti / djica X-To: lojban To: John Cowan Status: OR X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 637 X-From-Space-Date: Fri Nov 7 20:01:34 1997 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU Lee: >So that's at least two distinctions in my mind: one can desire >any action or event, but one is only motivated to perform one's >own actions; the other distinction being conscious choice vs. >emotional reaction. So you would reject both my examples: mi djica le nu do klama le zarci kei le nu te vejnu loi plise would not be a reasonable thing to say because there is no emotional involvement, and le nu te vejnu loi plise cu mukti le nu do klama le zarci kei mi would not make sense because the volitioner is not doing the motivated action. Perhaps {djicni} could be used for your sense of "desire"? co'o mi'e xorxes