Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 06:32:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711301132.GAA24062@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: Ashley Yakeley Sender: Lojban list From: Ashley Yakeley Subject: Re: logical gaffs X-To: Lojban List To: John Cowan Status: O X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1056 X-From-Space-Date: Sun Nov 30 06:32:14 1997 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU At 1997-11-30 02:44, Logical Language Group wrote: >>(k) Abortion is murder. >> >>(i) & (j) are on their face category errors, so they must be metonymic if >>they are to have any meaning at all. I think if you tried to translate >>any of these three into Lojban, the emotional subterfuge involved would >>become very obvious. > >I think not, actually. Those on one side would choose different lujvo >based on different metaphors for each of the three, which metaphors would >make the statements more obviously true. For example, using English >rather than making the lujvo: > >(k) lenu embryo-dead-cause cu crime-ke-dead-cause Your choice of lujvo has already served to make the involved subterfuge obvious, since it would surely immediately prompt the question lenu <> cu zekri ma The point is, {zekri} has an x2 place, whereas the English 'crime' and 'murder' sound like objective words, and need to be qualified with 'according to x2' to reveal their subjectivity. -- Ashley Yakeley, Seattle WA http://www.halcyon.com/ashleyb/