Date:  Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:46:50 -0500 (EST)
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From: JORGE JOAQUIN LLAMBIAS <jorge@INTERMEDIA.COM.AR>
Subject:      Re: What the *%$@ does "nu" mean?
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To: John Cowan <cowan@LOCKE.CCIL.ORG>
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And:
>What are the truth conditions on {da du`u/nu broda} and
>{da na du`u/nu broda}?

{da du'u broda} is trivially true, for any broda. It is like
saying {da namcu}.

{da nu broda} requires a context to evaluate.

>Do all nu exist in space-time? (If No, then: Do all xlura, all
>prenu, all pavyseljerna?)

[pavyseljirna]

Yes, and yes, yes, yes.

>Anyway, I am totally and utterly clueless about what you think
>the meanings of nu and certain other NUs are. Either their
>meanings are really undefined (i.e. not yet defined) or they
>are defined but whoever knows the definition has utterly
>failed to communicate that knowledge to me or to anyone else
>who is able or willing to contribute to this discussion.


I think they have been defined, more than once and with
incompatible definitions, and not always clearly. Probably now it
is up to the users to reach a consensus on one of the definitions.
Whether we will or not is yet to be seen. I think I'm more or
less clear on how I understand {du'u}, {ka} and {nu}. For the rest
I haven't as yet found much use. (The use that {jei} and {ni} might
have had was spoiled by their double meanings, but fortunately
there are fairly straightforward ways of avoiding them.)

co'o mi'e xorxes