Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:18:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711072318.SAA21879@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: Lee Daniel Crocker Sender: Lojban list From: "Lee Daniel Crocker (none)" Organization: Piclab (http://www.piclab.com/) Subject: Re: mukti / djica X-To: Lojban Group To: John Cowan In-Reply-To: <199711072256.OAA02119@red.colossus.net> from "JORGE JOAQUIN LLAMBIAS" at Nov 7, 97 01:22:43 am Status: OR X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1414 X-From-Space-Date: Fri Nov 7 18:23:45 1997 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU > What exactly is the difference between mukti and djica? To make > the comparison easier let me re-order their argument places thus: > > djica: x3 is the purpose for which x1 wants that x2 happen. > mukti: x1 is the motive which drives x3 to make x2 happen. I see two concepts here with a useful distinction, but they do not include {djica}'s x3 place. As I see it, desire is one's emotional reaction to the event, whether or not one ever intends to bring it about or is even capable of bringing it about. Motive, on the other hand, is that which drives your will--i.e., your conscious choice--to actually perform some action, whether or not one desires it emotionally. So that's at least two distinctions in my mind: one can desire any action or event, but one is only motivated to perform one's own actions; the other distinction being conscious choice vs. emotional reaction. I don't have any idea what the "purpose" of a desire might be, but I do understand the motive for a choice. But even if one does posit a motive/reason/purpose for some desire, I still think desire and will are distinct concepts. -- Lee Daniel Crocker "All inventions or works of authorship original to me, herein and past, are placed irrevocably in the public domain, and may be used or modified for any purpose, without permission, attribution, or notification."--LDC