From - Wed Nov 12 10:55:18 1997 Message-ID: <3469D166.4C92@locke.ccil.org> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:55:18 -0500 From: John Cowan Organization: Lojban Peripheral X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lojban List Subject: Re: Problems with Abstraction References: <199711111735.MAA26856@locke.ccil.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1770 la .and. cusku di'e > Definitely. I hear it quite often & it causes a double-take. Wow. > Indeed, I'm surprised that you're surprised: I thought that > it was the widespread existence of "All that flows is not > water" speakers, filtered via Horn's book, that was in large > part responsible for the analogous Lojban rule. It may be so. What I know of Horn's book is filtered through the negation chapter, which is mostly lojbab's. I've never read the book itself. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org e'osai ko sarji la lojban From LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU Wed Nov 12 11:46:23 1997 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:46:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711121646.LAA08601@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: John Cowan Sender: Lojban list From: John Cowan Organization: Lojban Peripheral Subject: Re: le/lo X-To: Lojban List To: John Cowan Status: OR X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 662 la .and. cusku di'e > > There's no problem either with: > > > > mi denpa tu'a lo plejykarce > > "I'm waiting for something about a taxi." > > > > because the quantification is within the abstraction: > > Was that actually established? I don't remember that. There is no doubt that (absent a prenex) quantification is local to the nearest enclosing bridi. Presumably a "tu'a", which implies an internal bridi (tu'a zo'e = tu'a le su'u co'e) has the same rule. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org e'osai ko sarji la lojban