Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:10:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711062010.PAA13567@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: Lee Daniel Crocker Sender: Lojban list From: "Lee Daniel Crocker (none)" Organization: Piclab (http://www.piclab.com/) Subject: "will", "le mi..." X-To: Lojban Group To: John Cowan X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 1301 X-From-Space-Date: Thu Nov 6 15:10:40 1997 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (1) "will" I think Rick is right that a new lujvo is useful here, so I propose {sezmu'i} "self-motive": agent x1 is self-motivated to perform action x2; x1 wants to do x2. That will make it much easier to do simple things like asking "So what do you want to do?" {do sezmu'i ma}, which is more specific than "What do you desire?" and doesn't have {mukti}'s problem of a possibly external motivation. It also gives some simpler ways of saying "Do as thou wilt": {ko gasnu le se sezmu'i be do} and things like "I don't know what he wants to do" {mi na djuno le du'u ko'a sezmu'i makau}, and others. (2) "le mi karce" I was all prepared to explain why {le do djica} is not "what you desire" but "the desirer(s) associated with you", but I can't find in the refgram the explanation of the shortcut-possesives like {le mi karce}, etc. (though that particular example occurs in the chapter on relative clauses, while explaining something else). I know I've seen those explained, but I just can't find it. -- Lee Daniel Crocker "All inventions or works of authorship original to me, herein and past, are placed irrevocably in the public domain, and may be used or modified for any purpose, without permission, attribution, or notification."--LDC