Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 04:41:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711200941.EAA27525@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: logflash software X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2903 X-From-Space-Date: Thu Nov 20 04:41:36 1997 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU >Generally my pattern goes: see 20 new words, get 7 right; >see 10 old words, get 5 right; see 18 dropback words, get 5 right; see >20 new words, get 7 right... Sounds like 20 words is not too bad for you. >By now, (after two sessions) my dropback pile has about 26 words in it, >and continues to grow until I turn off new word introduction so I can >clear it (usually at about 40-50 words). This works, but you can also set the maximum lesson size to 40, and just keep piling the words in, whether you clear them out of Dropback or not. The advantage of this is that you get exposed to the whole vocabulary sooner, which gives you a better sense of the scope of the gismu (Hey! I remember that there is a gismu for this concept - let's look it up), which is one major reason for New Word Review mode - to get you exposed to all the words as quickly as possible. Then switch to Gaining Control when you have seen them all, and hopefully you will get more like 50% than 35% correct, and thus feel like you are getting somewhere by using larger lessons. >>I think getting through 340 words is pretty good, especially without a >>class environment to reinforce the words in other ways. And you got >all >>of that in under 3 weeks. > >Under 3 weeks? 340 words represents about 2 months of work. At 20 words per day, that is 17 days. >As I look >over the log, I see I used it about every 3 days. If that is your frequency of usage then indeed you need to be in New Word Review mode. Gaining Control is fruitless unless you can make a more concentrated effort, because otherwise you forget the words too much between sessions when you only do them every 3 days. But after doing Gaining Control mode, I mean New Word Review mode, you may have the higher recognition scores that come from having seen the words before (see the difference between your 35% New Word pile and your 50% Recog 1 pile), and this makes the later work go faster, though of course it adds substantially to the total time by forcing an extra, low-functionality, pass through the w ords. The real learning comes when you start on Lojban Recall. Recognitio n is largely automatic long before you get to mastery of the Recall process. But when you are first starting and not trying to write much Lojban text - onlytrying to read it, then the Recog-only style of New Word Review work s better especially for people who cannot be consistent and concentrated about the study. lojbab `---- lojbab lojbab@access.digex.net Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: ftp.access.digex.net /pub/access/lojbab or see Lojban WWW Server: href="http://xiron.pc.helsinki.fi/lojban/" Order _The Complete Lojban Language_ - see our Web pages or ask me.