Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 22:57:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711140357.WAA02714@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: Ashley Yakeley Sender: Lojban list From: Ashley Yakeley Subject: Re: Ironic Use of Attitudinals X-To: Lojban List To: John Cowan Status: OR X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 538 X-From-Space-Date: Thu Nov 13 22:58:06 1997 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU At 1997-11-13 09:13, Rick Nylander wrote: >1. Irony (as proposed) is the use of a word to mean it's opposite. >[definition] > Therefore: To be understood, an ironic term must be understood >by the listener to be false. Doesn't follow. Clearly some attitudinals have, at least approximately, opposites. This doesn't mean they are ever 'false'. I would say, to be understood, an ironic term must be understood by the listener as superficially misrepresentative. -- Ashley Yakeley, Seattle WA http://www.halcyon.com/ashleyb/