Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 11:52:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712291652.LAA21216@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: bob@rattlesnake.com Sender: Lojban list From: bob@MEGALITH.RATTLESNAKE.COM Subject: Re: knowledge and belief X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu, bob@rattlesnake.com To: John Cowan In-Reply-To: <199712290508.AAA20945@access1.digex.net> (message from Logical Language Group on Mon, 29 Dec 1997 00:08:26 -0500 (EST)) Status: OR X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 3394 X-From-Space-Date: Mon Dec 29 11:52:22 1997 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU I will not attempt to resume discussion of how to express fuzzy levels of truth. This is one of those areas where a summary of where the last overly technical discussion ended up would be useful to those of us who never quite followed most of it. Here is an attempt to rise to the challenge, with a certainty factor of about 0.3 that I will succeed.... :-) The scales use four cmavo, for four concepts: ja'a NA bridi affirmer bridi logical affirmer; scope is an entire bridi je'a NAhE scalar affirmer scalar affirmer; denies scalar negation: Indeed! ju'o UI5 certainty attitudinal modifier: certainty - uncertainty - impossibility la'a UI3 probability discursive: probability - improbability For example, * True in the espistemology: i. ja'a la djan. pu klama la paris. .e la rom. Definately, it is true that John went to both Paris and Rome. * 0.8 truth value in a fuzzy truth espistemology where the binary opposites are true and false: i. ja'a xipibi la djan. pu klama la paris. .e la rom. In fuzzy truth terms, it is about 0.8 true that John went to both Paris and Rome. * Subtly different kind of 0.8 truth value, suggesting that the binary opposites are alternatives of a different sort than true and false (perhaps John went to London and Copenhagen). i. la djan. je'a xipibi pu klama la paris. .e la rom. In fuzzy truth terms, there is about a 0.8 sense that John went to both Paris and Rome, rather than some alternative. Truth values are different from certainty factors, which indicate your judgement of the quality of your assertion. The difference is between being 100% sure you are seeing *either* a dog or a wolf in the distance and being 80% certain that what your are seeing is really and truly a wolf. In previous postings I have discussed a scale that enables you to `add' two `strongly suggestive' estimates of your certainly to get a `very strongly suggestive' estimate (you never get 100% certainty). * Certainty: i. ju'o mi viska ca'o lo labno I am certain that I am now seeing what is truly a wolf. * 0.8 certainty i. ju'o xipibi mi ca'o viska lo rebla pe lo labno I feel strongly confident (0.8 on a certainty factor scale) that I am seeing a tail of a wolf. i. ju'o xipixa mi ca'o viska lo mebri pe lo labno I feel somewhat confident (0.6 on a certainty factor scale) that I am seeing the brow of a wolf. i. ju'o xipisore mi viska ca'o lo labno I feel very strongly confident (0.92 on a certainty factor scale) that I am seeing a wolf. The rule for adding two positive certainty factors is: CFcombine (CFa CFb) = CFa + CFb(1 - Cfa) .92 = .6 + .8(1 - .6) I.e., reduce the influence of the second certainty factor by the remaining uncertainty of the first, and add the result to the certainty of the first. Finally, probabilities are expressed in a familiar fashion: i. la'a xipinore mi ba viska lo labno ca le bavlamdei There is a 2% probability I will see a wolf tomorrow. -- Robert J. Chassell bob@rattlesnake.com P. O. Box 693 bob@ai.mit.edu Stockbridge, MA 01262-0693 USA (413) 298-4725