Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 09:31:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712131431.JAA18536@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: JORGE JOAQUIN LLAMBIAS Sender: Lojban list From: JORGE JOAQUIN LLAMBIAS Subject: Re: whether (was Re: ni, jei, perfectionism) X-To: lojban To: John Cowan Status: OR X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1167 X-From-Space-Date: Sat Dec 13 09:31:59 1997 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU Lojbab: >>I approve of where John went >>I approve of the place where John went > >Then these would in Lojban be: > >mi zanru ledu'u la djan. klama makau >mi zanru le stuzi poi la djan. klama ke'a Right. >Stupid question from the person who seems incapable of understanding >lambda calculus: > >What would be wrong with (or what would it mean, if anything): > >mi zanru ledu'u la djan. klama ce'u > >If this doesn't mean anything, is it because it is "ledu'u", and would it >work for leka or lenu? {mi zanru le ka la djan klama ce'u} would mean "I approve of the property of being gone to by John", which to me does not make much sense. What would it mean to approve of a property? It would be something like approving of the number 5. To see the difference between {ce'u} and {makau} it is useful to consider examples where they appear together. For instance: la rik zmadu la alis le ka ce'u mitre makau Rick exceeds Alice in how much they measure. {ce'u} stands for the holder of the property, in this case Rick and Alice. {makau} is the question that has to be answered, in this case in order to make a comparison. co'o mi'e xorxes