Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 08:03:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712261303.IAA22563@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: knowledge and belief X-To: jorge@INTERMEDIA.COM.AR X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan Status: OR X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1627 X-From-Space-Date: Fri Dec 26 08:03:52 1997 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU >As for Lojban, I would say that: > > la platon djuno le du'u la sokrates djuno > le du'u la djan klama le zarci kei fo da > "Plato knows that Socrates knows (by epist. x) > that John goes to the market." > >must entail that: > > la platon djuno le du'u la djan klama le zarci kei fo da > "Plato knows (by epist. x) that John goes to the market." and I disagree. If "da" is "Socrates observed the event" then that would presumably serve as sufficient epistemological grounds fro Socrates to say he knows John went. But Plato did not observe the event, and might not consider Socrates' observation a sufficient epistemology for himself. If he does, then his epistemology is more likely to be the authority of Socrates. Lojban does not presume that all peopl accept the same epistemoilogies as a basis for knowledge. Indeed, we even have a epistemological marker for "I know culturally". If someone from a culture I know little about says that they know something culturally, then I can state that X djuno Y fo loi Z kulnu. But since I don't know that culture, it is not the case that I can claim such knowledge for myself. lojbab ---- lojbab lojbab@access.digex.net Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: ftp.access.digex.net /pub/access/lojbab or see Lojban WWW Server: href="http://xiron.pc.helsinki.fi/lojban/" Order _The Complete Lojban Language_ - see our Web pages or ask me.