Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:50:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712130050.TAA26496@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: Chris Bogart Sender: Lojban list From: Chris Bogart Subject: Re: whether (was Re: ni, jei, perfectionism) X-To: lojban To: John Cowan Status: OR X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 998 X-From-Space-Date: Fri Dec 12 19:50:27 1997 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU Lojbab writes: >> I don't see much difference between: >>I know where John went (indirect question). >>I know the place where John went (relative clause). > >But they are different! The first one doesn't say that you know >the place, it only says that you know where it is that John went. >If you don't know Buenos Aires, you may still know that John went to >Buenos Aires. If John went to New York, and you know N.Y., >but you don't know that John went there, you still know the place >where he went. I don't think "knowing" in the sense of "being familiar with" is a = likely interpretation of the second English sentence, so I agree with = Lojbab that they mean the same thing. A better distinction might be: I approve of where John went I approve of the place where John went The first suggests to me that I like that John went there, whether or = not I actually like the place; the second means I like the place, = whether or not I think John had any business going there. co'o mi'e kris