Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:20:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712111820.NAA25193@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: And Rosta Sender: Lojban list From: And Rosta Organization: University of Central Lancashire Subject: Re: xi, kennings, jvajvo X-To: LOJBAN@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1507 X-From-Space-Date: Thu Dec 11 13:20:01 1997 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU Lojbab: > >My solution: is it possible ofr a brivla to have a {xi} > >"subscript"? The subscript could indicate that the brivla comes from > >a nonstandard lexicon. Then even if {jamnyfagri xi la standard} > >means "napalm", {jamnyfagri xi la kenning} could mean "sword". > >Perhaps there is some way of toggling the whole text so the > >hearer looks the word up in the kenning list first and only > >consults the standard lexicon if the word isn't in the kenning > >list. Maybe {ni`o xi la kenning} might do that. > > pe'a is supposed to do that. But subscripting brivla or ni'o could also > work (though there is a competing convention that NIhO with sibscripts is > usable to switch between space-time-reference sets). > > When you use pe'a, all the semantic rules are more or less thrown out. > Or some of them, or none of them. No way was built in to specify > alternate conventions. But we did envision the need to do so. I suggest > se'i metalinguistic statement, perhaps before the title evem Indeed I > am sure that is what Athelstan and I talked about since he and I devised the n > needs for and usages of se'i. It's {sei} rather than {sei}, isn't it? [Said from memory.] Anyway, it's a good suggestion, which could be borne in mind for similar needs. For example, cmene are by default designations chosen by the speaker - "that which I choose to call X" - so if one wishes to make it clear that one is using a conventional rather than an ad hoc name, then {sei} could be the means. --And