Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 10:03:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712131503.KAA19574@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: whether (was Re: ni, jei, perfectionism) X-To: jorge@INTERMEDIA.COM.AR X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan Status: OR X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1531 X-From-Space-Date: Sat Dec 13 10:03:43 1997 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU >{mi zanru le ka la djan klama ce'u} would mean "I approve of >the property of being gone to by John", which to me does not make >much sense. What would it mean to approve of a property? It would >be something like approving of the number 5. I think we often approve of properties. mi zanru leka melbi I approve of beauty. which is distinct from mi zanru loi melbi I approve of beautiful things. and mi zanru le du'u melbi I approve of the fact that (something is) beautiful. and mi zanru le nu melbi I approve of the occurence of (something) being beautiful If I get much from ce'u, then mi zanru leka ce'u melbi I approve of something's beauty whereas mi zanru le ka melbi fo ce'u I approve of something being a aesthetic standard of beauty. Both of the above seem to me to be elaborations on mi zanru leka melbi but I am not sure whether this is not the illusion of a tired brain. We are not used to thinking of "gone-to-ness" as a property to be approved of or even recognized (thoiugh I guess objects of cultural pilgrimages are known for this property). lojbab ---- lojbab lojbab@access.digex.net Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: ftp.access.digex.net /pub/access/lojbab or see Lojban WWW Server: href="http://xiron.pc.helsinki.fi/lojban/" Order _The Complete Lojban Language_ - see our Web pages or ask me.