Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 05:31:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712101031.FAA27350@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: flowers (was "re: beginner's question") X-To: robin@BILKENT.EDU.TR X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan Status: O X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1961 X-From-Space-Date: Wed Dec 10 05:31:11 1997 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU Other than having no idea what the Turkish aorist means, I think I'll stick with the comments that I made last time. As to the difference bewtween bUtUn and her, I don't see any obvious difference in how you would translate into Lojban, but if you could give an example where the semantics WERE different in Turkish (minimal pair - obviously you have to change agreements), it might suggest something. >If anyone wants to pursue this string further, I have a stock of Turkish >sayings I'm planning to translate into Lojban (my way of learning the >language). I think proverbs and folk-sayings from non-European cultures >would be a good way to maintain/test Lojbanic cultural neutrality, as well >as seeing how good it is at figurative and alllusive language, and I would >invite other speakers of non-SAE languages to contribute. I encourage you to do so, partly because it presents an alternative to technical discussions that will likely interest many subscribers. I am of course wary of attempts to deal with figuratve usage in Lojban, but but non-SAE cultures may at least broaden awareness and understanding of te problem. What would be neat is if something that gets posted fr translation inspired someone to try to write something in Lojban from scratch. Even 3 or 4 sentences, that may be suggested by theideas that are translated. I am reminded by Mark Shoulson's ckafybarja story that explained why a certain word form had a certain etymology, and stretched this out to a page or so of text. lojbab ---- lojbab lojbab@access.digex.net Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: ftp.access.digex.net /pub/access/lojbab or see Lojban WWW Server: href="http://xiron.pc.helsinki.fi/lojban/" Order _The Complete Lojban Language_ - see our Web pages or ask me.