Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 07:22:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712161222.HAA05683@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: la'e X-To: a.rosta@UCLAN.AC.UK X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1594 X-From-Space-Date: Tue Dec 16 07:22:52 1997 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU >The meaning of xukau varies according to which selbri the abstraction >containing xukau is a sumti of. So while I might accept that >{xukau} makes sense in the false bridi {djuno le se du`u xu kau >ko`a badri}, because we do know what {xukau} means in {djuno le se >du`u xu kau ko`a badri}, it does not follow that we know what >{xukau} means in {cusku le se du`u xu kau ko`a badri}, for >we do not know what {xukau} means in the false bridi {cusku le du`u >xu kau ko`a badri}. I totally miss what you are saying here (and just trying to figure out the parallel and contrast between the examples was difficult enough). All I wish tsay is that definitionally: ledu'u xukau ko'a badri cu du'u lesedu'u xukau ko'a badri by the definition of descrriptors and se. (perhaps there is a quantification scope thing here though, and you need to move the xukau out to the prenex?) Or are you saying that xukau is like zo'e and cannot be quantified, but rather must be reanalyzed at each sumti position at which it occurs independently? So far we have only a couple such words possible as sumti and they are called out as such in their definitions. lojbab ---- lojbab lojbab@access.digex.net Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: ftp.access.digex.net /pub/access/lojbab or see Lojban WWW Server: href="http://xiron.pc.helsinki.fi/lojban/" Order _The Complete Lojban Language_ - see our Web pages or ask me.