Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 20:22:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712130122.UAA27439@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: JORGE JOAQUIN LLAMBIAS Sender: Lojban list From: JORGE JOAQUIN LLAMBIAS Subject: Re: indirect Qs (was Re: On logji lojbo discussions) X-To: lojban To: John Cowan Status: OR X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 591 X-From-Space-Date: Fri Dec 12 20:22:28 1997 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU And: > ta vasru ma poi ke`a na go tcati gi ckafi I think you mean: ta vasru ma poi ke'a gonai tcati gi ckafi {na go} denies the whole bridi, i.e. it denies that the connective {go} holds. But is that really what we want to ask? An unhelpful answer like {lo selpinxe} or {lo glare} would make the bridi true. (Same thing happens with your other versions.) If you have to rely on a helpful answer anyway then I don't see why not simply ask: ta vasru loi tcati ji loi ckafi >[NB: by {go} I mean "iff". I may have misremembered this.] You remembered right. co'o mi'e xorxes