From - Wed Dec 10 12:15:01 1997 Message-ID: <348ECE15.5C07@locke.ccil.org> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:15:01 -0500 From: John Cowan Organization: Lojban Peripheral X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lojban List Subject: Re: CAha (was: partial instantiations) References: <199712101555.KAA05285@locke.ccil.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2246 la .and. cusku di'e > (i) Is {da ka`e broda} > > {ka`e ku da broda} = {cumki fa lo nu da broda} > > or > > {da ka`e ku broda} = {da zo`u cumki fa lo nu da broda} > > ? The answer is not defined at present, since we don't have rules for interacting CAhAs with quantified variables. > (ii) How can one express the idea "At time T, subject S is > being/doing P", as opposed to "At time T=now, S is P"? (I > thought that {ca`a} has a default expansion to {ca ca`a}.) No, "ca'a" is no more implicitly "ca" than tenseless bridi are implicitly "ca" (and no less, either). -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org e'osai ko sarji la lojban From LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU Wed Dec 10 13:04:12 1997 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:03:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712101803.NAA09910@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: John Cowan Sender: Lojban list From: John Cowan Organization: Lojban Peripheral Subject: Re: Q-less kau (was Re: ni, jei, perfectionism) X-To: Lojban List To: John Cowan X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 996 la .and. cusku di'e > Lojbab: > > I suspect that most usages of indoirect questions are referring to known > > answers of those questions - and indeed that is why I originally glossed > > "kau" as a knowledge discursive - dakau meant "something da and I know what > > da is). > > *That's* the usage of kau I was trying to remember the other > week. Since this didn't make it into the refgram, is it now > obsolete? IMAO, it was obsolete from the start, being an artefact of using "djuno" as the typical selbri governing indirect questions. It didn't make it into the refgram because I thought it was flat wrong. OTOH, "kau" can be attached to non-question words, as in Example 8.4 of Chapter 11, to suggest the answer to the IQ. Of all the "normative" chapters in the refgram, 11 skates on the thinnest ice, and I knew that when I wrote it. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org e'osai ko sarji la lojban