Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 07:10:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712131210.HAA15543@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: la'e X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan Status: OR X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1306 X-From-Space-Date: Sat Dec 13 07:10:09 1997 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU >> If we know what "xukau ko'a badri" means as a Lojban predication, which >> we must if we can talk about "ledu'u xukau ko'a badri", then "le sedu'u >> xukau ko'a badri" makes sense. > >Not so. "kau" is not defined (at least not by me, and *a fortiori* >not by the refgram) outside du'u-clauses. It may mean something >in ka-clauses, too. In main clauses it has no known meaning. OK. But "du'u xukau ko'a badri kei ceit broda" is a du'u clause. le broda is the x1 of that clause, and le se broda is the x2 of that clause, treating the entirety as a selbri. The x1 cannot have a meaning without reference to the x2, since they are defined in relation to each other by the nature of du'u X being a 2 place presicate. Since we purport to know what ledu'u xukau ko'a badri means we must therefore implicitly know what lesedu'u xukau ko'a badri means. lojbab ---- lojbab lojbab@access.digex.net Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: ftp.access.digex.net /pub/access/lojbab or see Lojban WWW Server: href="http://xiron.pc.helsinki.fi/lojban/" Order _The Complete Lojban Language_ - see our Web pages or ask me.