From - Wed Dec 10 12:11:29 1997 Message-ID: <348ECD41.BC6@locke.ccil.org> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:11:29 -0500 From: John Cowan Organization: Lojban Peripheral X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lojban List Subject: Re: xi, kennings, jvajvo (was Re: Are tanru really metaphors?) References: <199712101535.KAA04387@locke.ccil.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1934 la .and. cusku di'e > My solution: is it possible ofr a brivla to have a {xi} > "subscript"? Yes. Subscripts can be attached to almost anything, but syntactically must be numbers or letters or parenthesized mathematical expressions, not names. > Perhaps there is some way of toggling the whole text so the > hearer looks the word up in the kenning list first and only > consults the standard lexicon if the word isn't in the kenning > list. Maybe {ni`o xi la kenning} might do that. A metalinguistic remark beginning with "sei" would serve nicely. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org e'osai ko sarji la lojban From LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU Wed Dec 10 13:03:32 1997 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:03:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712101803.NAA09904@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: John Cowan Sender: Lojban list From: John Cowan Organization: Lojban Peripheral Subject: Re: CAha (was: partial instantiations) X-To: Lojban List To: John Cowan X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 727 la .and. cusku di'e > (i) Is {da ka`e broda} > > {ka`e ku da broda} = {cumki fa lo nu da broda} > > or > > {da ka`e ku broda} = {da zo`u cumki fa lo nu da broda} > > ? The answer is not defined at present, since we don't have rules for interacting CAhAs with quantified variables. > (ii) How can one express the idea "At time T, subject S is > being/doing P", as opposed to "At time T=now, S is P"? (I > thought that {ca`a} has a default expansion to {ca ca`a}.) No, "ca'a" is no more implicitly "ca" than tenseless bridi are implicitly "ca" (and no less, either). -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org e'osai ko sarji la lojban