From - Fri Dec 12 17:28:55 1997 Message-ID: <3491BAA7.422D@locke.ccil.org> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:28:55 -0500 From: John Cowan Organization: Lojban Peripheral X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lojban List Subject: Re: debating style and attitudinals References: <199712122129.QAA18157@locke.ccil.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2049 Robin Turner wrote: > As usual I can't follow the finer points of some of these strings, but the > debating style is reminiscent of MIT in the sixties (not that I was around > then, but I enjoyed reading a few of the bloodier exchanges in the > "linguistics wars"). Is this just the way Lojbanists speak English, or are > you really at each other's throats? As And says, it's "affectionate rudeness". We do but jest, poison in jest, no offence in the world. > [F]or example, if And, in one of his > characteristically vitriolic postings [...] I see no vitriol here. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org e'osai ko sarji la lojban From LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU Fri Dec 12 17:51:57 1997 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:51:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712122251.RAA21751@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: John Cowan Sender: Lojban list From: John Cowan Organization: Lojban Peripheral Subject: Re: category errors in sumti X-To: Lojban List To: John Cowan Status: OR X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 822 la lojbab. cusku di'e > Cowan may have just said something roughly like this but: > >The fact remains that it IS possible for a selbri to have a sumti that > >must be concrete or must be abstract, just as it is possible for a > >selbri to have a sumti that must be male or must be female. > > But the latter is not particularly true. [correct points snipped] Indeed. However, we can save the previous statement by construing "a selbri must have a sumti of type P" as "a selbri which, when applied to sumti not of type P, invariably produces falsehood". Thus the x1 of "fetsi" "must be animate", meaning that when it is inanimate, the resulting bridi is invariably false. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org e'osai ko sarji la lojban