From cowan Sat Mar 6 22:44:35 2010 Subject: Re: Knowledge and Belief To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu (Lojban List) From: cowan Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 23:23:06 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199801012022.PAA08883@locke.ccil.org> from "Ashley Yakeley" at Jan 1, 98 12:14:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 715 X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 X-From-Space-Date: Thu Jan 1 23:23:06 1998 X-From-Space-Address: cowan Message-ID: <5RJ1Ola_C8B.A.3IE.Tt0kLB@chain.digitalkingdom.org> la .aclin. cusku di'e > Right. As it's 'justified true belief', you _know_ that the catcher knows > that the pitch happened. Well, no. "Justified true belief" is not knowledge: there exist Gettier counterexamples. Essentially, if the truth and the justification are utterly independent, the result does not count as knowledge. The crew of a yacht left Boston on 7 November 1918 with the justified false belief that the Great War was over, based on newspaper reports. They arrived in Bermuda on 12 November, by which time the false belief had become true. But they had *learned* nothing in the interim, so their belief was still not knowledge. -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org e'osai ko sarji la lojban.