Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 02:50:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801240750.CAA09638@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: Summary so far on DJUNO X-To: jorge@INTERMEDIA.COM.AR X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan X-UIDL: ae1c1afc55c82e418246cb048b1771c0 Status: OR X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1198 X-From-Space-Date: Mon Jan 26 12:42:25 1998 X-From-Space-Address: - >But {blanu}, {remna} and {sfofa} are all one-placers. Are they as totally >useless as {fatci}, then? Not useless, but semantically weak. The color words are only 1=place bcause we could not decide which of several BAI tags was primary to the meaning, so we left them all out. remna is narrowly defined. It would be a 2=placer if, like most other amnimals, we had a justification for a breed/type x2 - but there are people who would consider it inherently offensive to consider a subcategory of human as inherent to being human. sfofa is the only one that is hard to explain by this kind of logic, but it is a specific concrete - almost a fu'ivla in nature (probably would have been if we had truly7 started from scratch). I expect that many concrete fu'ivla will be one-placers. The special thing about fatci is of course that not only in it semantically weak, having only one place, but it is not clear that such a thing even exists. The other 1-placer that is as weak as fatci, is munje. Barring use in whatever tanru we devise for "universe of discourse", munje is quite useless. Most of what we say in English using the word universe will be expressed other than as a bridi. lojbab