Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:33:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801022233.RAA14369@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: Rob Zook Sender: Lojban list From: Rob Zook Subject: Re: Knowledge & Belief X-To: LOJBAN@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan In-Reply-To: <199801012206.OAA11017@gateway.informix.com> Status: OR X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1084 X-From-Space-Date: Fri Jan 2 17:33:42 1998 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU At 02:05 PM 1/1/98 -0800, Ashley Yakeley wrote: >djuno" doesn't seem particularly useful, and I would suggest that one >matching a more usual English definition of 'know' (as indeed the >gismu-list suggests) might be better. djuno [ jun ju'o ] know x1 knows fact(s) x2 (du'u) about subject x3 by epistemology x4 [words usable for epistemology typically have a du'u place; know how to - implying knowledge of method but not necessarily having the ability to practice (= tadjyju'o)] (cf. know/familiar with: se slabu, na'e cnino, na'e fange; cmavo list du'o, cilre, certu, facki, jijnu, jimpe, senpi, smadi, kakne, birti, mipri, morji, saske, viska) Funny, but that explanation sure seems to imply an epistemological and not a colloqual meaning for djuno. It's knowing _facts_. This seems to suggest something much more rigid than guess you "know" what's going on in another's head. Rob Z. -------------------------------------------------------- Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -- Groucho Marx